Mafia 2016

Iced_Tea wrote:

What's CC?

CC is Counter Claim. L337 claimed bulletproof and then Manlove counter claimed bulletproof. Given his findings on me, and the fact that Manlove and Melexxious were the two players I wasn't sure of. I can safely think that L337 is also town.

Is Aesthetic Voyeur even a role or is it just Melexxious unleashing his inner A E S T H E T I C?

-sigh-

I just lost another huge fucking post because of my mouse.
I never learn. Need to use notepad to make posts.

I'll say one thing before I go to sleep.

Tunnel Snakes Rule wrote:

Is Aesthetic Voyeur even a role or is it just Melexxious unleashing his inner A E S T H E T I C?

Yeah, yeah it is.
basically means I see what actions are done on a person and Ascetic means I'm immune to night shenanigans, including doctor stuff but can still be killed by the mafia.

Iced_Tea wrote:

Also, assuming TSR is legit and you are legit, that would only leave Melexx ofc, but we still don't know for sure that you're not scum. But sure, from your perspective Melexx is the only possible choice.

That's the thing, he and manlove are clearly scum buddies and 1337ness is throwing his scum buddie under the bus.
He's done that before (To me), he'll do it again. He's the master of doing really risky plays.

Vote: 1337ness

I'll post more in like, 12 hours or something after I've had a nice sleep.

also yeah go read the wiki if you want a better idea of what my role is, I had to look it up myself to be 100% sure.

Ascetic Voyeur is indeed a legit role. The problem I have with it is that it's both a weird lie, but also a weird role for mod to give out, so it could go pretty much either way.

Alright, both TSR and 1337ness seem to be in favor of Manlove + Melexx. Looking at our night results it seems very plausible that they couldn't kill anyone with both Atlas and 1337ness protected N1, then 1337ness protected N2. Melexxes low-risk posting behaviour could also be read as scummy. Again the only real problem I have with it is that I find 3 powerful prot rules unlikely, but at the same time 3/7 isn't that ridiculously much so it's not entirely impossible.

I still don't fully trust 1337ness, though his claim is pretty plausible, and might explain why nobody died as 1337ness would've been the best target for scum.

The CC between Manlove and 1337ness is definitely very interesting, and tells me that at least one of them is scum (unless mod is trolling us badly). Either Manlove is ballsy scum CCing 1337ness, 1337ness is lying scum and Manlove called him on it, or they're both scum doing the CC to distance themselves from each other. The main issue with Manlove + 1337ness as scum is that there's no way they didn't get a kill N2 unless they no-killed, which, while definitely possible, seems unlikely. 1337ness + TSR makes little sense, 1337ness + Melexx might, though. 1337ness + Melexx would also explain why 1337ness is so eager to lynch Manlove, eager enough to place a hasty vote.

As for Melexx: The wiki specifies that "no result" means "you were roleblocked", and is distinctly different from "you did not see anything". This makes two "no result"s completely impossible, this could mean that he's scum and forgot the difference between "no result" and "did not see anything" while lying about his role.

Unless I'm misreading the wiki on the "no result" thing, I think Melexx is a pretty good candidate. I would concur with Melexx's conclusion on "1337ness is making a risky play", however considering he would win right away if he were to lynch a townie, not doing so is not only risky play but also essentially overextension, and I know for a fact that 1337ness doesn't like overextension. (Not to mention that 1337ness + Manlove assumes a no-kill night.)

I'd like to hear from Atlas and Manlove before making a final decision. Especially Atlas as he's more credible than Melexx/Manlove/1337ness, and to a lesser extent TSR.

Iced_Tea wrote:

'd like to hear from Atlas and Manlove before making a final decision. Especially Atlas as he's more credible than Melexx/Manlove/1337ness, and to a lesser extent TSR

Wait when was it stated that there was at least one vanilla townie in this game? I must have missed that.

Also 2 doctors, a 1-shot bulletproof and a completely bulletproof all in one game? Mod wouldn't be that bad at balance would he?

Vote: 1337ness_of_teh_n00b

As for the other players, I'm more inclined to believe that Melexiious is the scum over TSR since TSR's doctor reads make sense in the grand scheme of things, but this could very well be a ruse of him being scum feigning doctor by stating he protected candidates he would've wanted to kill and then opted for no-kill both nights, but this line of thinking hard to prove either way.

Me wrote:

Wait when was it stated that there was at least one vanilla townie in this game? I must have missed that.

Whoops never mind, I found the post, Ignore this part.

Captain Manlove wrote:

Also 2 doctors, a 1-shot bulletproof and a completely bulletproof all in one game? Mod wouldn't be that bad at balance would he?

Vote: 1337ness_of_teh_n00b

Much like 1337ness's, this conclusion is entirely meaningless coming from you: Based on the amount of prot roles + the assumption that TSR is legit your choices get narrowed down to you and 1337ness, at which point you obviously don't want to vote for yourself. Both you and 1337ness are really just saying "one of us is scum", and everyone already knew that.

I've thought over the 1337ness + Manlove thing, and it would mean every single post of 1337ness so far has been part of a big machiavellian sheme with a no-kill night ontop of that... that's possible but not exactly occam's razor.

Excluding 1337ness + Manlove, we're only left with two choices: 1337ness + Melexx and Manlove + Melexx:

1337ness + Melexx: Doctor results are consistent with this, so is 1337ness's vote on Manlove. Melexx's vote isn't, though.

Manlove + Melexx: Doctor results consistent, so are Melexx and Manlove's vote.

I'd say Manlove + Melexx seems most likely at this time, with 1337ness + Melexx a close second. Seeing as he's part of both of the most likely scum pairs, Melexx is the best vote. But again, I want to hear from Atlas before actually placing that vote. (And also hear confirmation on the "no result"s theory.)

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Excluding 1337ness + Manlove, we're only left with two choices: 1337ness + Melexx and Manlove + Melexx

Lets not narrow this down so quick, there's no sure way for us to rule out TSR as scum, his results as doctor could be easily forged if he was scum opting for no night kills. Since there has been no kills and the voyeur missed all action there's really no evidence to contradict or agree with TSR's Claim, so really he could be scum or a doctor or even a normal townie fucking with us for his own amusement.

So to expand the choices, it could also be 1337ness & TSR, Myself & TSR, or even Melex & TSR.

Captain Manlove wrote:

the voyeur missed all action

That's the thing though: Maybe mod wasn't doing it correctly or I'm taking the wiki too literally, but according to the wiki "no result" isn't the same as "didn't see anything", as it means the voyeur was roleblocked, and that's impossible.

Captain Manlove wrote:

there's no sure way for us to rule out TSR as scum, his results as doctor could be easily forged if he was scum opting for no night kills.

Two things:

1. Is no-kill really a common strategy for scum? Or even a good one at all? I could see a single no-kill night is some situations, but just no-killing entirely seems too next-level.

2. Sure, we can't know for sure if TSR is actually legit (and 1337ness incredibly aggressive defense of him did raise an eyebrow for me). However I can really only see him be scum together with 1337ness. I say this because I know 1337ness is a good enough mafia player that there's only two possible reasons why he would defend TSR so aggressively: Either he genuinely thinks he's town, in which case I'm inclined to believe him. Or they're both scum and he's protecting his buddy.

So sure, that adds TSR + 1337ness as a possibility. Maybe some other TSR pairs, but again I think 1337ness is the most likely scum buddy for him.

How long's it been since Atlas last posted? Eventually we may have to prod him.

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1. Is no-kill really a common strategy for scum? Or even a good one at all? I could see a single no-kill night is some situations, but just no-killing entirely seems too next-level.

Well, in this scenario specifically assuming TSR is scum, not-killing would help both bring credibility to his claim for doctor and therefore his innocence. And although there is still a comparatively high player count, it would only take 1 wrong lynch followed by a successful night kill (made easy by the massclaim) for scum to win. Its a risky and circuitous way of playing but their would also give them access to everyone's position and a chance to pin suspicion on others through their own fake claims.

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2. Sure, we can't know for sure if TSR is actually legit (and 1337ness incredibly aggressive defense of him did raise an eyebrow for me). However I can really only see him be scum together with 1337ness. I say this because I know 1337ness is a good enough mafia player that there's only two possible reasons why he would defend TSR so aggressively: Either he genuinely thinks he's town, in which case I'm inclined to believe him. Or they're both scum and he's protecting his buddy.

This seems to be the most likely of the pairings if TSR is scum, since him with Melexiious doesn't seem too likely a combination (though there is the unlikely chance they could have both coordinated their roles with no-kills to prove their innocence).


so if we're willing to narrow down this pairing list further, the most likely candidates would probably be:
1337ness+Melex
1337ness+TSR
Me+melex

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That's the thing though: Maybe mod wasn't doing it correctly or I'm taking the wiki too literally, but according to the wiki "no result" isn't the same as "didn't see anything", as it means the voyeur was roleblocked, and that's impossible

Well it'd be safe to assume that either 1) he/mod has made a mistake and meant to say Nothing seen rather than no result 2) He's scum and made some mistake with his false claim

I'm more leaning towards Option 1, as with Option 2 it would have to be assumed that melex is foolish enough to pick ascetic (which would eliminate more possible roleblocks if they were even possible in this game) and still say no result, despite its impossibility.

Just posting to let everyone know I'm still alive.

There will be a very slightly more substantial post when I get back from work.

Vote Count 3.2

1337ness_of_teh_n00b (2) - Melexiious, Captain Manlove L-2!
Captain Manlove (1) - 1337ness_of_teh_n00b

Not Voting: Cracked Atlas, Iced_tea, Tunnel Snakes Rule

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Day 3 Deadline - only 77 hours away!

Uh, no-killing happens occasionally. I think it happens more in this particular group of players than in others, but I still wouldn't say it happens particularly often.

Voting Melexx before Manlove is super against the grain for me, but I get that I might be the only person in the game who can be more sure of Manlove than they are of Melexx. I can switch over if that's where support is.

With the amount of people left, is it better to not lynch? I know almost nothing about the meta of mafia, despite having played it a decent amount.

Tunnel Snakes Rule wrote:

With the amount of people left, is it better to not lynch? I know almost nothing about the meta of mafia, despite having played it a decent amount.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here as I myself have done dumb scummy-looking things because of my inexperience, but what you just said is incredibly scummy.

We absolutely do not want to no-lynch. It's literally the worst thing we can possibly do. Now that we've massclaimed, scum knows exactly who to kill, and there's 3 obvious targets (You, Me, Atlas) that we can't all protect, in fact if you turn out to be scum we can't protect any of them at all. The point of massclaim is that it's a high-risk high-reward play the entire point of which is that town gets to lynch right after, thus allowing them to capitalize on it before scum does, giving away the lynch defeats the entire point of the massclaim. (At least that's what my admittedly limited understanding of mafia play tells me.)

Yeah that pretty much covers it. No-lynch = "oh okay that's where all the power roles are let's kill around that".

Vote Count 3.3

1337ness_of_teh_n00b (2) - Melexiious, Captain Manlove L-2!
Captain Manlove (1) - 1337ness_of_teh_n00b

Not Voting: Cracked Atlas, Iced_tea, Tunnel Snakes Rule

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Day 3 Deadline - only 53 hours away!

Has Atlas responded to his prod yet? And is the deadline going to be extended if he gets replaced or nah?

Iced_Tea wrote:

Has Atlas responded to his prod yet? And is the deadline going to be extended if he gets replaced or nah?

He's at his Dad's. So he might be having some problems with the site/not been bothered to actually post. But I'm pretty sure he will soon.

Guys we should probably try to get at least one vote through this game, where's your thirst for blood team spirit.
Though saying that I doubt it'll happen since we're like 17 hours away from night but hey, one can hope.

Sorry about not posting much. I've been busy, with stuff.

Uh, yeah, I'll try and read through what I missed.

Captain Manlove wrote:

Guys we should probably try to get at least one vote through this game, where's your thirst for blood team spirit.
Though saying that I doubt it'll happen since we're like 17 hours away from night but hey, one can hope.

I agree. Vote: Captain Manlove